MMM S8E6: Jury Doody

Speaker0: In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet

Speaker0: equally important groups.

Speaker0: The police who investigate crime and the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders.

Speaker0: These are their stories.

Speaker1: Wow good morning miller beach welcome back to the madhouse it's been a bit

Speaker0: Been a few minutes.

Speaker1: I am a jerry pancake

Speaker0: And as always this is your boy josh scramble.

Speaker1: And we are here to bring you some fun today maybe i don't know if it's fun

Speaker0: I was not having fun when we're talking about the topic we're talking about today i had a miserable.

Speaker1: Experience but we are we are back we're gonna try and um now that it's officially

Speaker1: summer We'll try and get back on a regular schedule here Now

Speaker0: That we have time We've been some busy folks here lately.

Speaker1: We have been And it's not the fun busy that we like Where that's like drinking

Speaker1: and like hanging out And going to the beach It's like work Yeah,

Speaker0: It's been work busy, not fun busy Which is a shitty kind of busy to be.

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Speaker1: No but anyway on with the show on

Speaker0: With the show so this comes straight out of the scramble his storybooks or history

Speaker0: books, whichever one you want to call it. But Mr. Pancake, have you ever had to do jury duty?

Speaker1: I have.

Speaker0: Did you hate it?

Speaker1: I wanted to get on the jury every time so bad they must have smelled it on me.

Speaker0: So I had some people in the room who felt that way.

Speaker0: It was, I've done this before federal, I was on a federal kidnapping case and

Speaker0: I was with a jury for person and it was very interesting. It was a nuts case.

Speaker0: But when I came in for this one, I'm like, I do not want to be here because

Speaker0: it was the absolute worst possible timing for me to be in there.

Speaker1: So if you remotely like your job, it's probably hell, right?

Speaker0: It's not even that I remotely like my job. It's the fact that like at the time

Speaker0: I was, we had lost two people in my department and I had brand new...

Speaker1: So you're behind.

Speaker0: Behind. And then I was... So...

Speaker0: Long story short, this was a murder case. Ironically, we kind of know someone

Speaker0: who was involved in it, but we're not going to go down that road.

Speaker0: But it was going to be a week-long murder case. And I'm like, I do not have this in me.

Speaker1: Do we know the person that committed the murder or the murderer?

Speaker0: No, we know someone affected by the murder. Okay.

Speaker1: Okay. Well, that's sad. It is sad.

Speaker1: For me, both of the times that I was lucky enough to be called,

Speaker1: one of the times I was a mailman, so I was probably trying to get on,

Speaker1: I would have, like, any kind of, like, the OJ trial, like, something that's going to last.

Speaker0: Right.

Speaker1: It would all be sequestered.

Speaker0: It wasn't a sequestration situation, but it was definitely.

Speaker1: Different than a castration.

Speaker1: Right? Sequestation. Yeah, that's definitely.

Speaker0: Sequester yeah that's you can't say that five times fast no.

Speaker1: Um but so i was a mailman and but then uh the first one that i was called upon

Speaker1: i was uh in the car business which was equally miserable

Speaker1: i think at some points and so i was just like oh well you still have to pay me and i'll do the jury

Speaker0: Duty well the nice thing was like luckily my job actually like pays you for the jury duty day.

Speaker1: Yeah that some jobs

Speaker0: Don't a lot of them don't and the indiana jury duty is like pennies it's which,

Speaker0: ironically they did inform us it's been doubled so it used to be like minimum

Speaker0: wage it used to be 15 dollars if you were just not selected 40 like for the

Speaker0: day for the day that's what it used to be

Speaker0: but now it's 30 or 30 dollars if you like get sent home and eight or eighty

Speaker0: dollars for the day if you actually get selected for the jury.

Speaker1: That's not enough money.

Speaker0: No, but luckily my job paid me for the day I missed. Plus I got the $30 plus mileage check.

Speaker1: So tell us about your jury duty experience. I, unfortunately,

Speaker1: I begged to get on all of those juries and they were like, there's something in his eyes.

Speaker0: I think he wants to say guilty too bad.

Speaker1: No, I did. I will let almost anyone get away with that.

Speaker1: Especially if it's like a theft situation, embezzlement. like put me on your

Speaker1: jury because i will somewhere

Speaker0: I just heard kenneth allen's ears perk.

Speaker1: I can be bought too like i know what was that movie uh was it like

Speaker0: Are you thinking of the polly shore movie.

Speaker1: No it was based on a john grissom book 12 angry men or it's something john cusack

Speaker1: was in it and he was like a juror um and they like

Speaker1: yeah gene hackman maybe was in there and he like bought the jury people right

Speaker1: that guy couldn't be bought or he was doing some bullshit yeah

Speaker0: I will look it up but.

Speaker1: I can be bought so if you want to put

Speaker1: me on a jury um give me a call uh 219-200-4280 tell me how much i'll get

Speaker1: if they'll put me on the jury but they they can tell that i'm suspect and i

Speaker1: will let all the criminals go run

Speaker0: I think it was runaway.

Speaker1: Jury runaway jury

Speaker0: Um ironically so you can't have anything with you like you're not even supposed

Speaker0: to have your cell phone on and i thought.

Speaker1: Of you even in the waiting no

Speaker0: You're not supposed to but they were very laxed about it like they're like while

Speaker0: you're in here you can use your phone but i thought of you almost the entire

Speaker0: time because i'm like the lack of rule following would have driven you nuts,

Speaker0: like absolutely insane i was just like jerry would have hated every moment of

Speaker0: watching these people come.

Speaker1: In oh because they're just oh not dressed properly so

Speaker0: Speaking of that i outdressed the people even at the court.

Speaker0: Because I'm like, okay.

Speaker1: It's court gotten casual now. Oh, court.

Speaker0: Let's just put it this way. Indiana

Speaker0: State Court jury duty. You have better fashion at Strax on a Sunday.

Speaker1: So are they doing some of these cases like over a Zoom thing?

Speaker1: No. Remember when they had that lawyer that was a cat or whatever?

Speaker0: Yeah, this kid's filter still. Mr.

Speaker0: Ponton, I believe you have a filter turned on in the video settings.

Speaker0: You might want to.

Speaker0: Can you hear me, Judge? I can hear you. I think it's a filter.

Speaker0: It is, and I don't know how to remove it. I've got my assistant here. She's trying to, but,

Speaker0: I'm prepared to go forward with it. I'm here live. I'm not a cat.

Speaker0: From what I saw, it was all in person, but I guess I should start from the beginning

Speaker0: of this. So, like I said, it's jury duty. So, I'm like, okay.

Speaker0: I was wearing dress pants and a dress shirt, no tie. I figured,

Speaker0: okay, you are in a court of law.

Speaker0: Apparently, no one else got the memo. I mean, there were.

Speaker1: Like, tank tops, shorts.

Speaker0: No shorts because it was still cool out.

Speaker0: Not much more. I mean, short of, like, sweats. close joggers yeah yeah.

Speaker1: Oh man so it is indiana we're a bunch of

Speaker0: Trash it is but oh man like so you walk in and you're in this big auditorium

Speaker0: you hand your summons to the guy he scans you in and you just sit in there like

Speaker0: one of these big 200 person like lecture halls,

Speaker0: and then they inform you oh you have to watch this video well even before that

Speaker0: the best part one of my favorite parties people were showing up late like it's

Speaker0: at eight o'clock 8 20 people are still walking in like okay you realize you

Speaker0: could be held in contempt of court,

Speaker0: and then one guy apparently didn't even read his summons showed up to the,

Speaker0: crown point late county court and it was supposed to be at the hammond federal court.

Speaker1: Oh that's a big mistake

Speaker0: The federal court doesn't screw around i've done that but literally they're

Speaker0: like you might want to get over there very quickly.

Speaker1: So they put you through the metal detector I remember I do have a side story

Speaker1: after we're done talking about this a result of one of the jury duties that affected my personal

Speaker0: Life oh ouch yeah.

Speaker1: And a snowmobile that i had at

Speaker0: The time oh okay well we're definitely have to get to that,

Speaker0: so you go in and like there's this video which ironically was way better than

Speaker0: i thought it was going to be like it was better produced and explained the whole

Speaker0: process but the worst part my trivia setup is 10 times better than the court setup,

Speaker0: like it's not even a contest so the guy has a laptop and he opens the video

Speaker0: and it's like a window on his screen he.

Speaker1: Probably can't adjust the volume very well and people are trying to just watch it on his

Speaker0: Laptop no it was on a screen okay like it was a like a window on the screen

Speaker0: and he didn't even have it hooked like he literally put the mic a microphone oh yeah that.

Speaker1: Happened at that pikachu thing that we

Speaker0: Did so it sounds it i'm gonna try and do this the best i can but it kind of sounds like,

Speaker0: Thank you for showing up to the court. And this is what jury duty is like to hold.

Speaker1: It's like, because he can't hold it still.

Speaker0: Well, he just said it back there, but of course, like it's flipping out.

Speaker0: Cause it's not. And, but the best part, he has a microphone to put the back

Speaker0: of the PC to, for the volume of the video, but then decides to talk to the crowd without a microphone.

Speaker1: Well, it's so it's a huge auditorium. See the one that I went to was, um, for, um,

Speaker1: the the one or both times was in michigan so it was just we were all in this

Speaker1: little room and they gave us like instructions

Speaker1: like a written down like a pamphlet or whatever but those were a long time ago so

Speaker0: So apparently it was two murder trials that were going on and they and was it.

Speaker1: So it's obviously it's lake county so we could potentially know Oh,

Speaker0: I was praying. I was praying. I'm like, okay, I know a good amount of judges,

Speaker0: good amount of lawyers. Like there's got to be someone in this room.

Speaker0: I know that'll be a conflict of interest.

Speaker0: Not a one person. I knew a few of the jurors, potential jurors from the neighborhood.

Speaker1: Can you detail the murder in any way? Well, you didn't get selected.

Speaker0: I didn't get selected. I could tell you exactly who it was. It's just,

Speaker0: it's kind of sad because we know who it affected and she's no longer with us.

Speaker1: Okay.

Speaker0: So someone we know relative got killed and then they died.

Speaker1: Oh yeah. Well, we'll pass over that.

Speaker0: Exactly. So rest in peace, our friend. Anyway.

Speaker0: So yeah. And also I noticed another thing, whoever is designing schools and

Speaker0: prisons, they have to be the same people.

Speaker1: It's the same. I told my, you know, teacher in my teacher life,

Speaker1: I would do that. Cause my classroom, when I taught in person,

Speaker1: uh, full cinder blocks, every wall, right.

Speaker1: Two doors with windows that you can't like the thinnest. I don't even know why

Speaker1: they put a window in there.

Speaker0: It's like wax paper. Yeah.

Speaker1: And then like they coat it so you can barely see anything through it.

Speaker1: And then zero windows in the classroom outside.

Speaker1: And so I, I would be like, Oh, Hey, why don't we, um, you know,

Speaker1: I don't know why I'm doing this with the kids but i'm like hey uh

Speaker1: you you want to keep uh acting up let's check out a prison on google earth or

Speaker1: whatever they'll be like notice how it's very similar to this uh school this

Speaker1: willow creek school that you go to now very much so

Speaker1: the same people that design these schools definitely design the prisons and

Speaker1: the courthouses there's no like majestic things that were designed in the 70s and 80s.

Speaker1: Everything looks terrible. It's utilitarian.

Speaker0: One time I would love to see one of those courts you see in the movies where

Speaker0: it's all deep, deep, stained wood and beautiful windows.

Speaker0: Everyone I see looks like the inside of a cafeteria.

Speaker1: The one in St. Joe, Michigan is right on the river. It's like old times,

Speaker1: but it's a taller building.

Speaker0: So it looks like someone would say, object to that. Your Honor, I'm.

Speaker1: Going to throw you in the river. No, you shouldn't do that to a judge.

Speaker1: I don't think you would probably be in contempt if you threw him in there.

Speaker1: But, like, no, that's like an old-timey, you know, they've got a bunch of different

Speaker1: places for people to, like, meet with their lawyers and do all of that stuff.

Speaker1: But what you're saying is here in Indiana at the Lake County Court House.

Speaker0: Oh, God, no.

Speaker1: It's not like that.

Speaker0: No. So yeah, it's a, it's a whole different vibe. So yeah.

Speaker0: We get through the whole razzma jazz of like, here's why you're here.

Speaker0: Here's some dumb ass facts about why you're here.

Speaker0: This process, that process.

Speaker0: And we finally get like, okay.

Speaker0: He's like, if you want to use your cell phones, feel free to use them while

Speaker0: we're waiting. Cause the first group got called off.

Speaker0: And then I said, we sat there for 45 minutes and they.

Speaker1: So they don't, do they tell you about the case before when you're sitting there?

Speaker0: They don't even know what the case is.

Speaker1: Okay.

Speaker0: So they, uh.

Speaker1: They give you a number.

Speaker0: Oh, yes. I was juror 195, which I didn't know if it was good or bad.

Speaker1: I would have been juror 69. That would be my preferred.

Speaker1: Not six, seven. You fuck. Stop saying that.

Speaker0: So, like, they start rattling off, like, random numbers through,

Speaker0: like, 200 something. So, I'm like, okay, high number, maybe.

Speaker0: Once I figured it out, they get called off, and then we're just sitting there

Speaker0: and sitting there. And you're not supposed to have anything,

Speaker0: except for this one woman who brought in, like, 50 pounds of shit.

Speaker0: like one of those giant like gallon water bottles her backpack like i'm pretty sure if she would why.

Speaker1: Are we so thirsty these days why do we need this these uh like i know i probably

Speaker1: don't drink enough water but

Speaker0: Jesus like i don't yeah i don't get it so she had like all of her home homework

Speaker0: from every grade she ever had,

Speaker0: and i'm just looking at these people like what the fuck there was a guy who

Speaker0: stood the entire time i mean from the moment i showed up to the minute we went

Speaker0: in the courtroom stood businessman no just some guy older guy two hours i'm like.

Speaker1: Did anyone like listen to stuff on their phone without headphones and

Speaker0: Just no there were watch videos there was none of that no one had like but the

Speaker0: funniest thing was like so the guy one.

Speaker1: Brought a bluetooth speaker in there

Speaker0: No but.

Speaker1: I will that have been hilarious you you brought a bluetooth in there and you're

Speaker1: just like what does everybody want to listen to

Speaker0: So the guy who was checking everyone the jury whatever his title was I forgot

Speaker0: his name was playing music I will give him credit for that and it was like

Speaker0: yeah late 70s like yacht rock kind of like this is legit one of the songs that

Speaker0: was playing during it I made note because I had just a notebook and nothing else but,

Speaker0: So I'm sitting there like, it was about that vibe the whole way through,

Speaker0: which was like, it was relaxing, but also like, get me out of here.

Speaker1: Yeah.

Speaker0: Like, I don't have a problem with Gordon Lightfoot, but I had a problem with it.

Speaker1: I don't have a problem. I love Gordon Lightfoot. Wreck of the Edmonds and Fitzgerald,

Speaker1: one of my favorite tunes of all time.

Speaker0: Superior Never Gives Up or Dead.

Speaker1: No. When is Edmund Fitzgerald Day? It's passed already, right?

Speaker0: I know. We didn't even get our cake.

Speaker1: March or November. It's in November. Oh, yeah. Gale's in November.

Speaker0: Yeah, so we still have time to plan our celebration.

Speaker1: I know. We should do something, right? I'm not going to do a fucking plunge, I can tell you that.

Speaker0: What if we just got a regular cake and, like, hit a toy belt underneath the icy?

Speaker1: Oh, that's a great idea.

Speaker0: And, like, whoever, like...

Speaker1: Oh, do you think they froze to death or just drowned? It's very depressing.

Speaker0: Oh, definitely drowned.

Speaker1: Now that I think about it. It's not a very happy song, huh?

Speaker0: No. But the funny thing is, like, ironically, that water's so cold,

Speaker0: like, I think when they, I don't know if they found the bodies when they found the boat.

Speaker1: Oh, God. They found it?

Speaker0: Yeah, they found it. Because they got the original.

Speaker1: What did they do with the iron ore?

Speaker0: I think they left it there.

Speaker1: It's probably pretty heavy.

Speaker0: Well, also, the boat snapped in half, so they probably lost a lot of it.

Speaker1: Yeah, it probably just spilled right out.

Speaker0: But, yeah, they went down and they grabbed the bell and then brought the original

Speaker0: bell back up and then put a commemorative.

Speaker1: Oh, and they put that.

Speaker0: They put a commemorative bell at the bottom with the boat, and then they rang

Speaker0: the actual bell, like, for every sailor that died.

Speaker1: Oh, nine times?

Speaker0: I think it was just once, but I think there were, like, 22 people that died on board.

Speaker1: God, how did we get into this?

Speaker0: Well, Gordon Lightfoot and the music playing. So they had a different judge

Speaker0: and juror on their court case, unfortunately.

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Speaker0: Welcome back joshua scramble here so jerry you were talking about you had a

Speaker0: side story about a uh incident.

Speaker1: A jury duty and this brings me back to the other life that i led before i came

Speaker1: here to miller pancake 1.0 pancake one pancake probably just like windows 95 pancake

Speaker0: You finally got a startup song.

Speaker1: Yeah so so in my previous life um I had, you know, I've been married before

Speaker1: and I got called for jury duty.

Speaker1: And I don't know if you remember this, Josh Scramble, or maybe the listeners will remember.

Speaker1: But back in those times, in let's say the, I don't know, early 2000s,

Speaker1: your whole family had the computer. It wasn't just for me.

Speaker0: We've talked about this before.

Speaker1: It was a true family PC. Not everybody just had a laptop.

Speaker0: Yeah, everyone had to because you couldn't afford it.

Speaker1: Yeah, so, and everyone would use the same email address, right? Oh, boy.

Speaker1: So I got called for jury duty, and, like,

Speaker1: my best friend, his dad, like, was an attorney, and he had had this girl that

Speaker1: had worked for him, and very young, Jerry Pancake dated this girl, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker1: lot, but she ended up working for the courthouse.

Speaker1: So she saw that my name came up, she sent me an email.

Speaker1: Hey, do you want to meet for, for lunch and catch up?

Speaker1: Blah, blah, blah. You know, like seemingly innocent.

Speaker0: Is this a Mrs. Pancake story?

Speaker1: Yeah. This is a

Speaker1: Myra Pancake story. But, um, so, so I'm like, yeah, that's cool.

Speaker1: We can go to Clementine's. It was like right across the street from the courthouse.

Speaker1: And so that happens, right? Like, so I meet her and we have lunch and that's it.

Speaker0: Why is suspicious minds by elvis playing when an old friend i know.

Speaker1: Like i didn't have any ill and like intentions um

Speaker1: uh about it i just you know whatever she wanted to have lunch i needed to have

Speaker1: lunch i'm not going out without lunch if anybody knows anything about jerry

Speaker1: pancake food is i need a full

Speaker1: uh lunch especially at that time in my life i was doing a full sit down

Speaker1: our lunch no matter what no matter where I was at um but anyway so I get um home and

Speaker1: And there's a note on the door, and it says, I hoped you like your funch.

Speaker1: And then it says, fucking lunch.

Speaker0: Oh, Jesus.

Speaker1: And then the computer is just, like, on, and the email has pulled up,

Speaker1: you know, right on the screen.

Speaker1: She is nowhere to be found. so then I go out to the garage my snowmobile is

Speaker1: just smashed with a baseball band and it was like it was during the summer

Speaker1: so I don't know I guess that was an odd choice

Speaker0: Worst case scenario you could fix it.

Speaker1: Well yeah I guess it was an odd choice of something to destroy of mine really

Speaker1: because I wasn't really that mad

Speaker1: because I'm like oh well I guess I just still get a new windshield you ride

Speaker1: that snowmobile too but I guess there wasn't anything else that you wanted to destroy

Speaker0: The computer would have made more so so.

Speaker1: That um you know that was one of the jury duty things that happened to me but

Speaker1: never on a jury god I just so wanted to be I

Speaker1: because first of all I like to judge people oh

Speaker0: Well we've talked about we might have a.

Speaker1: Uh judge jerry jerry uh here in miller

Speaker1: god you know who i'm gonna judge whoever these fucking people are that are cutting

Speaker1: metal i think they're replacing someone's soffits across the street but it is

Speaker1: absolutely the fucking worst sound that you could ever have i don't know why

Speaker1: you can't do that at your shop pre-cut all the stuff

Speaker0: Right how long has this been going on.

Speaker1: Uh, just today they pulled up in two, like they have a whole,

Speaker1: I've never seen a trailer like this, but it has like, it's just a huge aluminum

Speaker1: trailer with a bunch of sheet metal on it.

Speaker0: Okay.

Speaker1: Different sizes. So it's gotta be like aluminum siding and soffits.

Speaker0: Gotta be because like, uh.

Speaker1: Who does aluminum fucking siding anymore?

Speaker0: Are you crazy? I know gutters. Like, it's just like they have the pre, like.

Speaker1: Oh, they did the gutters.

Speaker0: Well, gutters are simple now. You can roll a whole length out. So much information.

Speaker1: Anyway, finish your jury story.

Speaker0: Oh, yes. Once we actually got into the courtroom, the people watching did not stop.

Speaker0: Like I said, it was a murder case, and everybody who got selected to go be voided,

Speaker0: was set for some interesting questioning.

Speaker0: like they asked everybody it was you could tell they were going for a self-defense

Speaker0: thing and they were asking everybody about,

Speaker0: uh when do you think it's right to defend yourself how far can you defend yourself

Speaker0: when do you think it's okay to defend yourself and then they asked every single

Speaker0: person on the possible jury do you own any guns how many do you own what do you own.

Speaker1: So did the people that said they own the guns get on the jury

Speaker0: Almost everyone on the jury had a gun weirdly And I don't know why this didn't

Speaker0: surprise me, but the vast number of guns that I heard about was interesting.

Speaker0: But the best one was, I think like juror number seven, he ended up being,

Speaker0: they asked him like, how many do you own guns? He's like, yes, I do.

Speaker0: And they're like, well, how many do you own? He's like three.

Speaker0: And they're like, okay, what kind are they? And they said, I own a .45,

Speaker0: a hunting rifle, and an AR-15.

Speaker0: Oh. And they're like, well, do you have training in them? And he's like,

Speaker0: yes. Or safety training?

Speaker0: They're like, pretty much. And they're like, well, what do you mean?

Speaker0: He's like, well, I did two tours of both Iraq wars. Oh, yeah.

Speaker0: And the tone immediately changed. And they're like, well, thank you for your

Speaker0: service. We appreciate that.

Speaker1: So i'm assuming this had something to do with a defense with a

Speaker0: Firearm uh that i think that's what they were going for so but the funny thing

Speaker0: was like we were in the like there was me and a,

Speaker0: guy here in the neighborhood and another guy we were like praying we wouldn't

Speaker0: get picked and we were almost like fan duel odds i like like they would break

Speaker0: like okay we're done with this question and then we'd be like all right like,

Speaker0: three to one against this guy gets off the job And,

Speaker0: we were almost pissing off the bailiff, if we would have been much louder,

Speaker0: because I was totally wanting to throw it.

Speaker1: But you can't be doing that shit in the court.

Speaker0: Well, we were in the area of the audience.

Speaker1: I think that's inappropriate. It wasn't. Judgment against Grant.

Speaker0: It was inappropriate. Judgment accepted. So we went through that,

Speaker0: and slowly, our numbers started ticking up, and I was like, 162, 164. I'm like, fuck.

Speaker0: Start getting some fuckers on this jury.

Speaker0: so then one woman came up and the only way I could describe her was midlife

Speaker0: crisis Barbie like okay in her 50s,

Speaker0: All pink. I mean, pink.

Speaker1: Where's she from? What is it? Valparaiso?

Speaker0: No, it had to be Lake. Chesterton? It had to be somewhere in Lake County. No, yeah.

Speaker1: Oh, so Valpo's Porter.

Speaker0: I would have to guess Highland would have been my.

Speaker1: Highland?

Speaker0: From the hip. But yeah, pink shirt, pink plaid skirt, pink nails, beach blonde hair.

Speaker0: Not fat, but not skinny. Like probably should be dressing differently if you're

Speaker0: wanting. But it was just like, wow, you really bought the dream house now, didn't you? I think she.

Speaker1: Had a pink car.

Speaker0: It would not have surprised me if there was a Mary Kay Cadillac out front.

Speaker0: It would not have surprised me one bit.

Speaker0: But, uh, needless to say, I did not get selected and I was so happy,

Speaker0: but then I got home and I'm like regaling Leslie Latte on what had happened

Speaker0: and told him like, yeah, I was praying I would know someone.

Speaker0: And she started telling her about the case and she's like, oh,

Speaker0: you know, that was so-and-so's brother that got killed. Right.

Speaker0: And I'm like, oh, that would have gotten me right out of the case.

Speaker0: Like I knew the family and I didn't even, cause all the names were different. So.

Speaker1: Well, I mean, there's some crazy things that people will say to try and get

Speaker1: out of it. like they'll say that they're like huge racist even though they probably

Speaker1: are um not a lot of people have to lie there was

Speaker0: A weird thing though like everyone bitched and didn't want to be there but as

Speaker0: soon as they got up there and were like being questioned like everyone kind

Speaker0: of like realized the gravity of the situation like when they asked do you think

Speaker0: that way like everyone was very honest and seemed to like.

Speaker1: Go i think people get scared once they're up oh yeah

Speaker0: That too but everyone like kind of.

Speaker1: Could you imagine though being like the oj jury like how cool that would have been

Speaker0: They spent like nine months sequestered from their life though like did you

Speaker0: ever watch a documentary about.

Speaker1: That do you know that oh god that would be so good for me to be like oh can

Speaker1: you come to this graduation party no i'm on the oj trial

Speaker0: But they couldn't even.

Speaker1: Go sequestered like i know well i mean you probably got to they probably fed

Speaker1: them pretty good i don't know could you drink though i might have had a problem

Speaker0: I don't well i mean there's days off like they didn't do chirp didn't do it on the weekend but.

Speaker1: You gotta sit there too because like here's the other thing i thought about

Speaker1: jury duty all day if i gotta go to the bathroom what the fuck are you i'm gonna

Speaker1: ask the judge to recess so i can take a dump or whatever

Speaker1: Or, like, just to, like, because my stomach would betray me.

Speaker0: I will say, when I did the federal one, there was, they took a lot of breaks.

Speaker0: Like, every two hours, they made, like, we're going to take a five-minute,

Speaker0: five- to ten-minute recess.

Speaker1: Because I know my stomach would betray me. Because it likes,

Speaker1: like, when it's silence or, like, one person is talking or whatever, it likes to talk.

Speaker1: And then, like, I just picture myself. I'm sitting there. My stomach's growling.

Speaker1: And then I'm, oh, yeah. Oh.

Speaker1: oh no i have to take a shit what am i gonna do stop you no cross-examination

Speaker1: no no no don't do it oh my god the

Speaker0: Prosecution has no further can you.

Speaker1: Rest your fucking case already please

Speaker0: Could you rest your.

Speaker1: Case i'm gonna shit myself yeah like so that's the only nightmare like but i

Speaker1: didn't think about those things when i was a young man

Speaker1: only so only after i became you know aware of like oh my stomach sucks so

Speaker0: During the great snowmobile vandalization how old were you at this time.

Speaker1: Uh so i'm guessing that was probably 2002 no maybe a little no 2001

Speaker1: Maybe 2002 or three, I'm guessing. So I would have been 30-ish.

Speaker0: Okay. So.

Speaker1: Just married for a couple years.

Speaker0: Obviously not happily.

Speaker1: No, we were, well, I mean, we were great. And I had to like,

Speaker1: I remember like I had my boss at the car dealership, like, caller.

Speaker1: I don't know why that was appropriate at the time.

Speaker1: But like at that time, like when we.

Speaker0: So I would like to cross examine on this story.

Speaker1: No, like when we, when, so back in those times when you worked somewhere,

Speaker1: like you were friends with the people.

Speaker0: Oh yeah.

Speaker1: And so like you would go to like their, they would have a barbecue and just

Speaker1: like go over to their house.

Speaker1: And so like I was friends with the guy that owned the dealership and like we

Speaker1: would do stuff like outside of work together or whatever. And like,

Speaker1: I thought it was a good idea cause he was a good negotiator.

Speaker0: He could, Hey, he'd suck me down $2,000 on this Cadillac.

Speaker1: He's going to calm her down for sure and tell her I didn't fuck this lady.

Speaker0: So you came home. She wasn't there. Just the note. I hope you had your fun fucking lunch.

Speaker1: Yeah. Funch.

Speaker0: Fucking lunch. And then the snowmobile was destroyed. And then how long was it before she came home?

Speaker1: I don't know. I think she went to like the bar or whatever.

Speaker0: I apologize, folks. We have a...

Speaker1: Tornado alert?

Speaker0: Imminent threat. A tornado warning.

Speaker1: What? Oh, shit. Yeah, like...

Speaker0: Yeah, um... Sorry, folks.

Speaker1: Um, no. It's a good thing we're in the basement. What do we got?

Speaker0: Well, breaking news here. Breaking news. We're under a tornado warning.

Speaker0: But this is my also issue. Like, a tornado warning used to be there was a tornado sighted.

Speaker0: It's not like that anymore. So I don't know if there's...

Speaker1: Is that a siren? No.

Speaker1: I don't know. No, that's just a plane.

Speaker0: Okay.

Speaker1: All right. Well, on that note, we're going to wrap this up. We're probably going to put Tom Skilling on.

Speaker0: Yeah, we're probably going to.

Speaker1: Oh, there's my phone.

Speaker0: So, yeah, that seems like a good time to break, folks. So, on the National Weather

Speaker0: Service alert, we're going to say goodbye.

Speaker1: We are safely in a basement.

Speaker0: Yeah, we are in a basement.

Speaker1: All right. Everybody, get your tickets for you're in town. Take shelter.

Speaker1: no one's listening to this live but take shelter if you hear that thing on your phone

Speaker0: Yeah so there's a tornado warning or an.

Speaker1: Ambulance and do not park at 903 Shelby in the parking lot across from the Flamingo

Speaker1: ever because you will get towed yeah it is a predatory towing they will sexually

Speaker1: predatize you maybe and also tow your car I

Speaker0: Hear it's run by Jeffrey Epstein.